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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby b-o » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:00 am

launcher wrote:But for example lets say you hire people lets say ones an atheist that mocks people of faith, ones a hippy that doesnt believe in war. lets say is a person that doesnt believe in guns, and looks down upon people of faith, lets say another is a vegetrain, into global warming and evolution. and you mix all these people together, what type of product will they come up with for example. likely mocking the jedi and there beliefs. More peace by comprimising peoples values and morals. the product and end result is fundamentaly different outcome, when the christian side is more inline with the jedis, for example the group i mentioned would be more receptive to an empire, with more socialism, tighter goverment controls, your asking them to bash there own beliefs, of course they will go milder and jab the other side some, by nature, or they would end up hating there job and quit. it would be like going to the cheese cake factory and asking them where the nearest doughnut shop is. might not be the best idea.
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I think there's an element of truth in this.. I've noticed that a lot of D&D type computer games or mods, apparently made by non-christians, tend to portray 'lawful good' characters as naive, inconsiderate, ignorant, irrational, holier than thou, pharisee types which prefer the letter of the law over the spirit of the law, and yet they portray the neutral alignments as more level headed and friendly.. I don't think that people who do that sort of thing really understand what goodness or lawfulness is, and it's a shame how many times I've seen that.. The only consolation is that those types of developers usually like to distance themselves from any representations of Christianity, so their lawful good characters are usually pagans who wouldn't know God's holiness anyways. I could see how the same kind of inclusion of socio-political agendas could potentially pop up in any kind of media made by anti-christians.. I wouldn't throw out all worldly art though... didn't Paul use pagan poetry to communicate the gospel?
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:19 am

tend to portray 'lawful good' characters ... which prefer the letter of the law over the spirit of the law

Well, yes. Otherwise, you'd choose Neutral or Chaotic Good.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:28 am

of course jesus was from the middle east, moses, noah, garden of eden... of course the bible has middle eastern references.

See thats the difference between us, you see them as neutral, they dont claim to be neutral they claim to well lets let them tell you :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7DtjO4 ... ntrinter=1



as i said watch them, they say what they believe, they said it not me, no interpretation, there words, there deeds. when people use stalins and hitlers book on how to govern everyones ears should pick up. have to thank howard dean really he spilled the beans :)

Now its true they could pull the i didnt really mean that or some other political scam, if someone says something then take there word for it.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:42 am

Dungeons and dragons is a great example.

Look at it from the other point of view, what if the speed game challenge had to have no religious aspect to it, infact had to be anarchy, or from the perspective of evil and evil acts. i know i would have serious issue making a game like that. im sure many of you would be cringing making the game. and if a person which claims to be true evil or whatever played it, they probably wouldnt like it which is its target market.

comes down to well who would play the game, and does the developer core leaders have a firm grasp, knowledge or experience with the concepts. First major rule in creative writing is write about something you know about to increase believability. games are the same thing, and same situation.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:44 am

lol. Eastern. Not middle eastern. Like Buddhist/taoist/confuscist/shinto sort of eastern.

Launcher, please. The difference between you and me is that you see people, and particularly liberals, as the enemy, while I realize our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. (Ephesians 6:12)

We're called to fight on a spiritual front, and as long as you keep looking at people as the enemy, you're just firing into civilians.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:53 am

technically liberals are almost extinct, they transitioned to progressives, socialists and marksists. i dont see them as neutrals to be persuaded in many cases but as in waging war upon god and his followers.

I had a professor that was anti christian mocked christianity openly in class, they see christianity as an enemy force stopping them from any immoral act and desire they may wish to do. that we hold them back, they are not standing by while we try converting, they try converting christians to there side.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby SSquared » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:54 am

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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:10 pm

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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby b-o » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:44 pm

ArchAngel wrote:
tend to portray 'lawful good' characters ... which prefer the letter of the law over the spirit of the law

Well, yes. Otherwise, you'd choose Neutral or Chaotic Good.



I disagree, chaotic good doesn't respect the law whatsoever. neutral good is neutral towards the law.. lawful tries to honor the law.. and following the letter of the law at the expense of the spirit of the law is not honoring the law.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:51 pm

That's what a lawful good character would say...
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby b-o » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:06 pm

ArchAngel wrote:That's what a lawful good character would say...

I don't quite follow.. at first you seem to say that a lawful good character would choose the letter of the law over the spirit, then you seem to affirm the opposite..
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:23 pm

It's a joke. It was that a lawful good character would say they follow the spirit of the law.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:37 pm

lawful good characters are rediculous though, they wont accept money for doing a job your hired to do. That and ever notice how there is speciality weapons and armor its almost always for chaotic evil. Chaotic good is the dumbest of there ranks... so someone will be chaotic but good? and neutral should be renamed to indecisive, or follower. anyways its a confusing game, even more confusing for the people that dress up and play it (not as a board game) but dress up like wizards and chanting trying to put curses on people.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:49 pm

I think you're inability to understand the DnD alignment scheme is more than a little enlightening on your own worldview...

anyways its a confusing game, even more confusing for the people that dress up and play it (not as a board game) but dress up like wizards and chanting trying to put curses on people.

But I have no idea where you just went with this.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:03 pm

ha ha no no, you misunderstand, people dress up as elves and wizards, and soldiers and live out the game as if its real. they use swords and say oh it has an enchanment on it and play it like the game but in real life...

How can you possibly understand a 7 tiered system of beliefs? where they add odd attachments to these beliefs? the hole system is odd... well compared to now days... and modern games, worked for its time... but it should be a bar or something that judges your acts on a good bad level. saying your something doesnt make it true. like how can a thief be lawful good? any irony there?
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby ArchAngel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Are you talking about LARPing?


The DnD Alignment system isn't tiered, and there are 9 choices.
And during your campaign, you generally have to hold to the alignment you chose and make your decisions based on it.

And yes, a lawful good thief is ironic and might make for an interesting character.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby HanClinto » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:22 pm

ArchAngel wrote:And yes, a lawful good thief is ironic and might make for an interesting character.

But not entirely without precedent:
Numbers 13:23
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby HanClinto » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:24 pm

HanClinto wrote:
ArchAngel wrote:And yes, a lawful good thief is ironic and might make for an interesting character.

But not entirely without precedent:
Numbers 13:23

Oooh, just thought of another example of a lawful good thief:
Judges 14:19
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby Treecleaver » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:46 pm

I put Samson as Chaotic Neutral at best.
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Re: Lucas Arts is dieing...

Postby launcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:34 pm

:P larping? whatever running around in foam armor saying you have a fire sword is? pretending to kill dragons when your 30-40 :P

i played the older dungeons and dragons games, load up on people with long range magic or creatures, when you have issues stand your 2 rangers in front, just out of there shadow range, and then pump in 6 characters firing all sorts of magic traps, gas, fire balls and creatures, is funny you incinerate them and had to wait a minute for the stuffs timer to end the attacks. in the older games the neutrality ment nothing just you would get no rewards if lawful good. that and the annoying your weapon is ineffective and caused no damage message. when your like but i smashed the unarmored guy in the face with a mace or flail... he has no head... how did that cause no damage. but proved very funny at times, using overwhelming force.

them werent exactly the cut your throats thiefs and pickpocket you type... king david now he stole some intresting things...

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