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Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby mastallama » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:38 am

Hey everyone,

I know it has been a very long time since I've posted on here. Things have been crazy busy with work, life, and my band. I hope everyone is doing good :)

I have a client that kicked her husband out of the house due to his porn addiction. She's letting him move back in next week but wanted to get a good porn blocker/tracker on her computer so [1] he can't look at porn and [2] if he tries, she'll know about it.

Do you have any suggestions?

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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby HanClinto » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:46 am

I use CovenantEyes.

X3Watch is a lower-cost alternative that I've used and often recommend, but for myself I've been happier with CE.

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Postby mastallama » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:53 am

So with either of these products, all internet traffic is filtered without a way of getting around it? I can tell you right now, he's not going to like it and doesn't see a problem with his addiction. If there is a way to disable and get around one of these products, he'll be looking for it.
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Postby CPUFreak91 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:32 am

mastallama wrote:I can tell you right now, he's not going to like it and doesn't see a problem with his addiction. If there is a way to disable and get around one of these products, he'll be looking for it.
Yup, where there's a will there's a way, and if you have an admin user account on the computer, you can disable the software.

There are Modem/Router filter lists, but no software that will report them, and the filter list won't update automatically (you have to add the web sites yourself). One way to get around that is to block all web sites and permit access to certain ones, but that's a major pain when visiting the good web sites.

Also, you can't block web sites on mobile phones too easily.
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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby HanClinto » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:42 am

mastallama wrote:So with either of these products, all internet traffic is filtered without a way of getting around it? I can tell you right now, he's not going to like it and doesn't see a problem with his addiction. If there is a way to disable and get around one of these products, he'll be looking for it.
If he doesn't ever see a problem with his addiction, then I'm not sure why she would be taking him back, since the root problem will still be there, even if it's not manifesting itself in his actions. I hope you'll pardon my bluntness, but is she looking to support her husband through his struggles, or is she looking to nanny a grown-up child and encase him in a rubber room?

Any tool like this is meant to supplement a person's own conscience and self-restraint. It cannot replace it.

That said, both CovenantEyes and X3Watch have reasonable anti-circumvention measures, though neither is impenetrable if attacked with sufficient determination, patience, and skill. As CPU said, mobile phones are notoriously bad at being un-blockable, or he could just hop on another computer in the house.

If you want something particularly bombproof for the whole home computer network, then you'd have to go to something like an external SmoothWall / DansGuardian firewall / proxy on your network that he doesn't have admin access to, but that takes a fair bit more knowledge to set up. And even so, unless it's kept in a locked room, if he has physical access to the router, he can just unplug the Smoothwall box and plug the network directly into the modem, bypassing the proxy.

So at some point you have to just say "that's enough" and not look for a solution that is perfectly uncircumventable, but rather, settle for a system where it's simply not worth the trouble to bypass all of the hurdles put in the way.

We can't completely block users. We can only slow them down.


If it's a worthwhile recommendation, I'm fairly technically savvy, and CovenantEyes' anti-circumvention measures are sufficient hurdles to keep me in check through most of my weaker moments.

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Postby mastallama » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:01 pm

Thank you, I welcome the bluntness. I cannot answer for why she's taking him back or the other specifics as I do not know them.

They do only have the 1 computer at home, so I think a software solution will work. I've been reading through the stuff on the 2 sites you previously linked and think CovenantEyes will work the best. Her husband is not very tech-savvy but if the admin account can just turn it off, I'll have to make sure the computer has multiple accounts and leave it up to her to keep/give the admin password.

Thanks for pointing me into the right direction! I've missed the CDN interactions and want to start visiting here again :)
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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby HanClinto » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:40 pm

mastallama wrote:...if the admin account can just turn it off, I'll have to make sure the computer has multiple accounts and leave it up to her to keep/give the admin password.
It's not quite that simple -- I run as an administrator on my computer, but even if I stop the process through the process manager, then it alerts my accountability partners the next time the computer reboots.

Also, I'm not sure how it works on Windows, but I know that on OSX, if CovenantEyes isn't running, then I cannot get onto Internet at all, since it has hooks down at the network driver level.

So it's not failsafe, but circumventing it is not as simple as merely running as administrator.
mastallama wrote:I've missed the CDN interactions and want to start visiting here again :)
It's good to see you back here. :) I look forward to seeing you around more!

I hope this info helps -- please keep us posted with how it works out!

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Postby bugala » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:00 pm

I agree with HanClinto that if man himself isnt interested in fighting against his habbit, or not even mineing it, then theres not much point in putting any porn blockers and stuff to that computer.

She married him with all his faults. Basically she shouldj ust concentrate getting his husband to getting closer to Jesus than trying to stop him watching porn.

If her husband gets closer to Jesus, then at some point he will himself want to install that pornblocker.

Anyway. To the actual question.

I dont know ther name of that program, but to my understanding there is a program which lets some your allowed people to see what sites you are browsing.

So suppose HanClinto would see where her husband is browsing. Suddenly HanClinto notices husband is going to some dirty site, so now HanClinto picks up the phone and calls him to help him fight.

I believe that is very efficient one, but it still basically requires husbands co-operation.

Of course HanClinto could as well call to wife and then wife go and interrupt her husband in middle of embarrassing moment.
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Postby bugala » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:08 pm

Ah, actually those programs HanClinto showed were that kind i ecplaind already, except they werent real time.

For to my understanding theres real time alternative to these that sends email or something right when you enter to questionable site.
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Postby mastallama » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:22 pm

I spoke with her on the phone last night and she said he does want help. This is a step in the right direction, but last time he said he would install the blocker himself and never did, so she is having an outside party (me) install and configure things because he needs to earn back her trust.

Thanks again for the great suggestions! I think she's going to go with the CovenantEyes.com product.
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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby HanClinto » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:07 pm

A while ago, Sam and I brainstormed how to write and structure an open-source cross-platform accountability program. I still get e-mails about it every now-and-again, showing that there seems to be some interest in it.

BarEleazar

I'm wondering if I should pick that project up again. Does anyone else think that a Linux program that worked like CE or X3Watch would be worth the development effort?

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Postby bugala » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:16 pm

If there are people wanting to use it, then definately.

It might be this habbit that is preventing some great ministries from happening, or it might be because of this habbit some bad thing getting created.

While your program itself might seem small, and even users might be only few, the results might be even thousands of saved souls. And that might just be the start of it only!

So yeah, when did you last time get a chance to save maybe even millions of souls?
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Postby bugala » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:25 pm

Actually to add to this two more thoughts.

I bet the guy programming e-sword is going to be spending his first thousand years in heaven shaking all the hands of the people who come to thank him from helping save their soul.


Right now in Finland, our abortion law goes so that we cabn abort at maximum of 20 weeks, except if baby is found to be dawn syndrome or similar, then baby can be aborted up to 24 weeks.

Our nations Christian Partys leader is now wanting a change to law to decrease this 24 weeks to 20 weeks on basis of discrimination. Because if Down Syndrome patients are needed to be treated equally to rest of the people, then on what basis are they discriminated on abortion law?

there are also other basis to this, like there have been babies even in Finland aborted at 22 week and staying alive for two days after that still.

My point in this abortion thing. If she gets this law passed, unto which she has good basis, she gets abortion time reduced from 24 to 20 weeks for all, and im pretty sure in time that will be saving even thousands from abortion.

People might not notice that abortion law as much of a achievement, but in reality, when in her whole career is she going to get to save thousands of people from being killed?

I think thats going to be the highlight of her career in reality. For even if she would get elected to be the president of Finland someday, I dont think she can do anything as important, as shes at least trying to do now.
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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby mastallama » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:28 pm

I'm wondering if I should pick that project up again. Does anyone else think that a Linux program that worked like CE or X3Watch would be worth the development effort?
Well, if the leading software in the industry do not support Linux but there is a need there, then it could be worth the effort.
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Re: Porn Blocking and Tracking?

Postby Mike » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:47 pm

mastallama wrote:Hey everyone,

I know it has been a very long time since I've posted on here. Things have been crazy busy with work, life, and my band. I hope everyone is doing good :)

I have a client that kicked her husband out of the house due to his porn addiction. She's letting him move back in next week but wanted to get a good porn blocker/tracker on her computer so [1] he can't look at porn and [2] if he tries, she'll know about it.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks,
mastallama
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has tracking options is free, and if it's tampered with it logs it.

You need a windows box to admin it - but you can set it up on a linux box. And only admins can mess with dns settings on linux.

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