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The End Times

Postby launcher » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:16 pm

now of course where there, we just had an election where a guy promised to steal from the wealthy and there kids futures for free stuff. and a major policy being make it easier to kill your unborn children... if thats not evil what is...

i was reading psalm over the last few days, it talked about distancing yourself from non believers, how no non believer is good.

I believe in the old testement, these weather events are targeted. There hitting places that worship other gods. Katrina destroyed new orleans, it destroyed the floating casinos in Mississippi. the water source for the west (leak mead, and the colorado river) there drying up, making it uninhabitable. huricane sandy hit washington DC and the athiest strongholds. Iowa was flooded last year and farm land covered in 6 feet of sand. Aid's is obvious a moral disease attacking the immoral...

God blesses countries that follows him, and punishes those that dont. They are in deep trouble... he doesnt bless secular countries he destroys and enslaves them. People determine there blessings, if there good are blessed, if bad get punished.

so many christians start up with this tolerance garbage... people that rise up against him, he smashes like whack a mole, he destroys there house, way of life, often allows them to repent. i think people get forgiveness and acceptance confused... If someone trespasses against you, doesnt give the other person an open invetation to continually trespass against you. your not supposed to surround yourself with bad company.

Also it says drunks and drug addicts wont be going to heaven... which makes sense they litterally poison there minds, how can you commune with god and try to do whats right if your always impared... how can you serve god puking in a toilet or passed out seeing stars.

The anti christ is coming, and the non anoited will be in big trouble...I did reach out to many and try to help, but it is there choice will be sad of course. god destroys congregations of evil, they where warned, its there responsability now. sucks that they take everyone down with them...
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:20 am

I agree that a lot of disappointing stuff is going on, but I have a few points of disagreement.
launcher wrote:i was reading psalm over the last few days, it talked about distancing yourself from non believers, how no non believer is good.
I don't believe that the bible teaches we are supposed to completely distance ourselves from non-believers:
[nasb]1Co 5:9-10[/nasb] "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world."

No non-believer is good, but no believer is really good either, believers depend on Christ's goodness imputed to them:
[nasb]Rom 3:10-12[/nasb] "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
launcher wrote: People determine there blessings, if there good are blessed, if bad get punished.
I don't think that is entirely true:
[nasb]Ecc 7:15[/nasb] "All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness."

[nasb]Ecc 8:14[/nasb] "There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity."

[nasb]Psa 73:3[/nasb] "For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked."

[nasb]Psa 94:3[/nasb] "LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?"
launcher wrote: how can you commune with god and try to do whats right if your always impared.
I think God can step in in those situations:

[nasb]1Co 6:10-11[/nasb] "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

[nasb]Rom 5:8[/nasb] "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:46 am

spreading the word of god to them and marrying them is totaly different. is aquaintances, then there is best friends.

in levitcus it says not to marry non believers. (children that worship other gods)


I believe that in time things will be made right. was reffering more to city, and state size scope. the book of kings showed very well, when a king, or city became evil and corrupt he smashed them, scattered the inhabitants. look at how many times isreal was conquered, they followed god again and everything was better. when people stray from god he uses adversity to get them back. every evil nation that has exsisted the worse it gets the harder things become. There powerful armys are destroyed, in modern and ancient times. a follower of christ seeks out the good path, a non believer doesnt know how.


no offense but i think there to busy chasing purple elephants, to be concerned with matters of god. really intresting trying to spread the word of god while drooling, certainly would be difficult to do.
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Re: The End Times

Postby ArchAngel » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:03 am

I don't even know even know how to quantify on how wrong and twisted all of that was, launcher.

I mean, you read psalms and THAT'S the conclusion you came to? Out of all the beauty and heart-felt pleas, you come to religious exclusionism and borderline hate?

If this is what the church is, Jesus wouldn't be dining with us.
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:20 am

launcher wrote:spreading the word of god to them and marrying them is totaly different. is aquaintances, then there is best friends.
in levitcus it says not to marry non believers. (children that worship other gods)
I'm not sure leviticus is the best place to support that, since it is dealing with a jewish theocracy, but the same type of thing is mentioned in the new testament as well, so I agree there are boundaries in certain contexts.
launcher wrote:I believe that in time things will be made right. was reffering more to city, and state size scope. the book of kings showed very well, when a king, or city became evil and corrupt he smashed them, scattered the inhabitants. look at how many times isreal was conquered, they followed god again and everything was better. when people stray from god he uses adversity to get them back. every evil nation that has exsisted the worse it gets the harder things become. There powerful armys are destroyed, in modern and ancient times.
A lot of government failure is merely the result of bad philosophy, economics, etc. If you spend more than you have, you go broke.

launcher wrote:a follower of christ seeks out the good path, a non believer doesnt know how.
If someone is truly a follower of Christ, then God directed his ways:
[nasb]John 6:44[/nasb] "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
Of course they wouldn't remain non-believers if that happened. I just don't see the state of unbelief as completely hopeless in most situations. God could step in like he did with other supposedly hopeless sinners.
launcher wrote:no offense but i think there to busy chasing purple elephants, to be concerned with matters of god. really intresting trying to spread the word of god while drooling, certainly would be difficult to do.
How about when they are bent on persecuting Christians? God could still step in like he did with Saul. I've heard stories of drunk people becoming instantly sober upon hearing and receiving the gospel.
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:25 am

ArchAngel wrote:I don't even know even know how to quantify on how wrong and twisted all of that was, launcher.

I mean, you read psalms and THAT'S the conclusion you came to? Out of all the beauty and heart-felt pleas, you come to religious exclusionism and borderline hate?

If this is what the church is, Jesus wouldn't be dining with us.
I don't think he's being hateful, just blunt with an opinion many would find uncomfortable.. Though I don't agree with everything Launcher says, Jesus was blunt and said things others found offensive enough to want to kill him.

but yeah, the part about the president is a little bit awkward.. even though there's some truth to it, Daniel seemed to show a good measure of respect to a pagan King.
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Re: The End Times

Postby ArchAngel » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:14 pm

When some says that no non-believer can be good and we need to distance ourselves from them, and that the natural disasters and other terrible occurrences are deserved, with little to no sense of remorse, then yes, it's borderline hateful. I do qualify my statements with "borderline" for what I'm interpreting to be your objections, but what his blunt opinion is very wrong on a very serious and moral level.

Launcher painted everybody not with him not as people to be loved, but agents of evil to be dispelled. These are people we are talking about. People! It just blows my mind that someone can talk about people so callously and ascribe it to God!
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:55 pm

Non believers try shaming us to the opinion that no bad can happen in the world and no punishments exsist for our actions.

I come at things from a different standpoint then what you outlined. God made laws which to live by. leviticus, ten commandments and words of jesus and a bunch of other places. When god says, dont steal, dont kill, dont do abominations. your not supposed to purposefully go out and do abomination.

jesus said hate the sin not the sinner. he didnt say emrace the sin, legalize it rewrite the bible to fit it in. Taking gods ceremonys, rewriting them, what do you think would happen? Think god is sitting there up in heaven saying i really admire how they trash my word and do everything i say not to, rewriting my book to justify there sins, and still have the guts to ask for blessings.

When communitys right laws directly opposed to the bible... bad things happen.. god made it known through kings and chronicles... the price to pay for not following his word is disasters.

Of course god loves all his children, from everything i read he loves the innocent, and does have his people he really likes? (moses, elijiah, David, aberham, noah, lott, job to name a few) Theres a point the sodom and gamorah point, when they are made examples of. where his love for his other children cant be ignored, when the people reach a certain point, there choices are destroying more and more of his other children, corrupting them, and leading them astray. To save many, destroys a few basically, or diminshes the evil doers influence.

talks of hate and implying judgement, way off, i only see the obvious. the fact is when the majority of an entire area make laws of abomination, which god directly says dont do. and another and another law. the more a people get further from god the greater the devistation.

You will know a lot about a person by the fruit they bare.

people are blessed on an individual level, obviously tested and all sorts of things by god. Remember god appeared before job and the people? the people wanting to get rid of job, the younger people that where judging him god wasnt happy about. When it was clear job did nothing wrong.

These people embrace abomination, many frely admit arent christians. God always protects his servents, they im sure fared much better. of course there are many good people in the north... other wise it would be all under 6 feet of sulfer. God has used nature to get his point across how many times? the 7 year drought of joseph, flooding the world with noah, all the natural disasters to get the jews out of egypt. take solomon he was blessed with 50 years of peace and wisdom. he very much does reward people individually. allowed aberhams wife to coneive a kid.
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Re: The End Times

Postby ArchAngel » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:58 pm

This isn't worth pursuing, since we just won't communicate on any significant level. All I can say is that your theology and morality is as broken as is your spelling and grammar.
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:06 pm

ArchAngel wrote:When some says that no non-believer can be good and we need to distance ourselves from them, and that the natural disasters and other terrible occurrences are deserved, with little to no sense of remorse, then yes, it's borderline hateful. I do qualify my statements with "borderline" for what I'm interpreting to be your objections, but what his blunt opinion is very wrong on a very serious and moral level.

Launcher painted everybody not with him not as people to be loved, but agents of evil to be dispelled. These are people we are talking about. People! It just blows my mind that someone can talk about people so callously and ascribe it to God!
hmm... Your take seems emotional. I think Launcher is speaking on a different level. Consider the following scripture.

[nasb]Romans 3:9-18[/nasb] "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes."

I believe Paul loved the people he was writing about here. This passage speaks of everyone. Non-believers as well as believers are not good. The concept of total depravity is not the same as utter depravity. Non-believers can be good according to the worlds standards, but God's standards are different than the worlds. If God says he will judge people for violating his law, is God to be blamed? If someone reiterates what God has said, are they to be blamed? I don't think I see things in the same way as launcher, but the fact that people are not holy, and that God will judge the unholy is more a matter of biblical theology than of some type of feeling (positive or negative) toward people. Perhaps you are more upset with the concept found in the Bible than with the way Launcher conveys it? Or just the fact that he didn't convey remorse when speaking of it? should we show remorse by saying something like 'peace be upon them' every time the punishment of some person is mentioned? I share the sentiment that there should be no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but I don't think Launcher is saying that he enjoys their punishments or that he has no remorse. He's just asserting the fact of judgement. The concept of remorse is sort of irrelevant to the point he was making, but we should feel remorse for the situation of the wicked because we are supposed to love even our enemies.

[nasb]Eze 33:11[/nasb] "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"

I'm not totally convinced that these natural disasters he speaks of(edit: the modern ones in the older post) are punishments from God, but there is another way to look at the punishments of God; If we all deserve hell because of sin, then any unpleasantness that happens to us which is not as unpleasant as hell, could be considered a form of mercy in that we are still not receiving the full judgement we deserve during lesser unpleasantness. And God is at liberty to show whatever level of mercy he wants to whom he wishes. To take that morbidly would miss the point.

Do you believe that people are sinners and that the wages of sin is death, and that God is entitled to take whatever lives he wants to? Do you consider yourself a christian?

I just noticed the other replies after I finished this, but thought I'd post it anyways.
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:16 pm

he took it on a personal level? i told him it was on a greater scale. only evil people wish for death and destruction and wish misery on people. and merely that to ignore gods laws and embrace things he says not to leads to trouble. not sure how he got that about the personal level thing...
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Re: The End Times

Postby ArchAngel » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:38 pm

It's not emotional or personal, I just find what was said to be fundamentally and fractally wrong.
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:44 pm

so sodom and gamorah didnt happen?

unless your reffering to Obama?

At his convention the key note address was by a person that made the entire argument of, obama would get condoms and abortions for woman, and to not do these things means your waging a war on women. as a consequnce of contraceptives babies that would have been born are not...

He will fund this program by adding debt or taxing. which will be repaid by the next generations or people that pay taxes.

how have i misrepresented obama in any way? his surrogates speaking on his behalf, and he has says these things. its not sort of true it is true. hes robbing the elderly's medicare, to pay for abortions. :? how is that contreversial? or partly true?

How can anyone go before god and say... well i voted for obama, because i wanted him to raid old peoples medical accounts they paid into for 40-50 years, so women of illrepute can have abortions, get std's cleared up. so he can steal from future generations and people with jobs, to fund studys of gay people social interactions in argentinas bars. or robot squirrels, or turtle tunnels, or bridges that lead into dead ends, or bike trails. does any of this sound so critical that it requires stealing? perhaps taking chrysler and selling it to fiat... so much for saving the auto industry, one belongs to france the other outsourced much to china and forced to do goverment projects. which proved a failure.

if your upset i placed moral implications and brought religion into politics... im not really sorry. to seperate religion and politics, implys faith is something that exsist an hour or 2 a week in a building, and not something to live by, that in can be switched off when inconvient. in Psalm's it says all your decisions should be based in godly thinking (to that effect)

or was it you dont like the idea that disasters happen when people stray away from god. We know there is levels of love. that to follow the antichrist is deemed an unforgiveable sin and there soul will be destroyed. that murders and rapeists if found guilty are to be executed and brought before him for judgement so he may deal with them. there are many instances showing if you misbehave there is serious consequences where praying for forgivness may not save you.

there was a king of isreal forgot the name ruled for 50 years, was a pretty good and just leader. one day walked into the house of god to see the ark, he disobeyed the order, as a punishment was given leperacy. asking for forgiveness means your admitting fault and saying sorry. are you really asking for forgivness if you see you did nothing wrong, dont regret your actions? and god can read your mind.
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:30 pm

launcher wrote:its not sort of true it is true. hes robbing the elderly's medicare, to pay for abortions. :? how is that contreversial? or partly true?
When I said that what you said sounded awkward, and that there was some truth to it I was basically addressing the way you phrased things. I agree that forced redistribution of wealth is immoral. When a government does it, I can see how one would hyperbolically say it's stealing. But with regard to taxes, did Jesus call it stealing or did he attribute ownership of the currency to the government?:

[nasb]Mat 22:20-21[/nasb] "And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

I agree that it's still wrong, but its not the exact same thing when done lawfully.
The way you phrased it made it sound like he would ignore laws and just rob people without using the legal system. And I think that we are supposed to show a measure of honor to our leaders, even when they are corrupt and misuse the legal system for immoral things.

[nasb]1Pe 2:18[/nasb] "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward."

[nasb]Rom 13:1-7[/nasb] "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

This of course does not nullify our calling to obey the higher authority of God when it conflicts with government.
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:11 pm

however this is our system, he is our servent, he anwsers to us, not us to him. his job is to conduct the will of the people, as defined by the constitution he swore to god to protect and defend.

we do not live in a dictatorship or empire, he has 1/3 of power alotted by the people. congress has 1/3 and so does the courts have 1/3. he has expanded his power beyond his ability, which was not given to him. he's in breach of his oath... as many prisedents are.

hes not a caesar, not a king. his only ability is to enforce laws and defend the country. congress writes the laws hes supposed to enforce and live with in. he has no power the congress allocates money for what they think he needs. the congress is the real power if using that. they collect the taxes.
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:26 pm

Psalm 18

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18 I will love thee, O Lord, my strength.

2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

3 I will call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

6 In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.

8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.

13 The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.

15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.

18 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the Lord was my stay.

19 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.

20 The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

21 For I have kept the ways of the Lord, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

22 For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.

23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

24 Therefore hath the Lord recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

27 For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.

28 For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness.

29 For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall.

30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

31 For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?

32 It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.

33 He maketh my feet like hinds' feet, and setteth me upon my high places.

34 He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

35 Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.

36 Thou hast enlarged my steps under me, that my feet did not slip.

37 I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.

38 I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.

39 For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.

40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the Lord, but he answered them not.

42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.

43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.

44 As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

45 The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places.

46 The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me.

48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

50 Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

Psalm 1

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1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
how can you take away anything from this other then, god protects the faithful man and when non godly people try to wrong them, god not only sides with the godly man but gives them to means to anihlate them. on top of that says in tons of places, the work of a godly person is blessed, those who arent are not. the houses of believers are protected, the non believers will be scattered away. and how does he scatter them? drought, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, wars all kinds of ways. this backs up my main premesis.
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Re: The End Times

Postby b-o » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:33 pm

launcher wrote:however this is our system, he is our servent, he anwsers to us, not us to him. his job is to conduct the will of the people, as defined by the constitution he swore to god to protect and defend. ....
I'm not convinced that this is how it is.. I mean.. that is how it is supposed to be, and that is how it is on paper, and that is what we are led to believe, but in reality I don't think we have much say in things anymore. Look at how Ron Paul was cheated every step of the way, only for the two candidates with the same main funder and not much difference between them to be declared the only real choices; with just enough emotional issue differences to keep people distracted from their similarities and the lack of real choice. The constitution and oaths are not taken seriously anymore; look at things like the NDAA and patriot act. Politicians pay lip service to the constitution, but people who promote it as the real authority are marginalized as extremists. Wars are fought without congressional declaration on one mans whim. If being the policemen of the world doesn't make it an empire, what would?
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:14 am

true but breaking vows to god, im sure that wont go over well, along with leading people astray. heck he even had 2 affairs when running for president the first time. there never mentioned oddly. he's made millions of dollars his brother in kenya lives in poverty, his aunt is an illegal alien living in poverty. hes a hypocrit, he is a rich person that doesnt help even his own family, and has the state do it. bidens tax record he gives less then 1% to charity. they dont live as they say others should live.

However there is a point when there taxes become opressive, and they do more and more wicked things, god punishes them. it also falls upon the military to enforce oaths taken by politicans... :P there needs to be a modern day pataroian gaurd (protect the country first, the leaders 2nd).
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Re: The End Times

Postby launcher » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:28 pm

Psalm 37 KJV
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
this sums everything up?
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Re: The End Times

Postby bugala » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:51 am

Testimony about Obamas Drug usage and other things.


And despite this, we (well, actually im not US) should Honor Obama since we should honor hes position (President) which is he have been given by God.

Since this position (President of USA) is God instated (For there is no power but of God: as quoated in one of earlier posts).

Even if the one in this God given position is wicked etc. the position itself is still in Gods order, and hence we should be subjects to this positions decisions. We will pay the price from how we follow this Godly position, and postiion holder (Obama) will pay the price from how he uses his position.

It is even possible that someone gets to Godly position by wrong doing, but that position will still be Godly position and hence we should be subjects to whomever in that position.

Of course there is limit to this subjectedness. Ie. If he tells us to murder our neighbour, we shouldnt do it.


You can see David and Soul in old testament. Saul had clearly done wrong, even tried to kill David, but David would still not touch Saul, since Saul had been Gods choice and hence it was not his position to touch upon Saul, but it was Gods job to handle Saul.

At point David scratches Saul (if i correctly remember, for self defence) he feels great remorse, since he have went against God by touching His anointed position holder.

footnote: term "Godly" in this reply refers to the point that any power position is "For there is no power but of God:" and hence any position (ie. lawmaker) is meant by God for our best, despite they might not always be used that way.

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